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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic Zone episode number

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127 or the 25th of March 2011 Richard

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Saunders here with you from Sydney

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Australia what a mixed bag an eclectic

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mix we have for you on today's show

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we're going to kick off with an

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interview that our good friend and us

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correspondent Travis Roy conducted with

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Mark mervine all about the current

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situation and the worries in Japan with

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the reactors over there now marks going

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to explain to Travis and to us some of

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the concerns with the reactors and what

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can possibly be done very interesting

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interview that's at the top of the show

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following that we have the interview

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that was held over from last week where

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Maynard has a word to Robbie bono

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Chrissy a recipient of a heart

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transplant and I guess the message here

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folks is if you're not a donor become

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one after that we've got a clip from a

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TV show here in Australia called the

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circle we're just sort of like the view

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sort of a mid-morning chat show they

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recently had on their resin medico

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doctor deeper Daniel discussing

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vaccinations and I thought the advice

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was pretty good so we'll include that

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clip today then after that it's a

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visiting radio 2 GB once again dr. Ricci

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and myself go in to see I would bring

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Glenn wheeler now this was recorded a

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few weeks ago before the earthquake and

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tsunami in Japan but it's all about

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psychics who reckon they can predict the

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future very interesting when you think

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about recent developments and round off

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the show we have former chief executive

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officer of Australian skeptics Barry

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Williams with the short edit oriole he

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wrote about our famous bent spoon award

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now I've had an interesting time over

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the last two weeks I've been converting

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various DVDs I've created over the years

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into ntsc format for North America

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that's the great water divining DVD from

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Australian skeptics the rhyme keeper our

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voiceover man Jim

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his own DVD about Australian poetry and

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a DVD I did a few years ago with my good

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friend Gary Clark DVD origami it's very

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exciting to have those now in ntsc

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format but what a process that is to

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convert videos from pal to ntsc i hope i

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don't have to do that too often more

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news about those dvds in the coming

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weeks but for now sit back grab a nice

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sausage sandwich and enjoy the skeptic

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so this is travis with the skeptic zone

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and i'm sitting here with Mark Marvin

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and to talk about the tragedy of the

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nuclear power plant getting hit by the

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earthquake in following tsunami i

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graduated from the Naval Academy in 1981

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and went into the Navy nuclear power

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program and served in the submarine

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force I was on a blizzard missile

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submarine and then I also was part of

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the instructor staff and was an

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instructor at one of our land based

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training facilities after six and a half

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to seven years of active duty I went

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into the reserves and I went to work for

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Wisconsin Electric which at the time the

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ownership has changed but at the time

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they owned a Westinghouse to unit

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nuclear power plant on Lake Michigan and

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has a boiling water reactor very similar

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been going on when the windows reactors

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valves would have shut that that big

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steam path to the turban is just shut

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that will kick in in particular they

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have one cooling system that is actually

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a steam-driven poem that's kind of a

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two-fold purpose one is to take some of

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that steam that's in the reactor and and

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kind of deplete it so that you don't get

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a huge pressure spike and the second

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pump and use that to pump water back in

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to the reactor so it's kind of like a

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win-win what happened about an hour

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after the plant shutdown was of course

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the tsunami which you know we've all

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television of how big of a wave of water

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fee they would have been running on

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service to the earthquake and what that

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generators were and where a lot of their

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electrical switchgear was they were down

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to just batteries all of the pumps that

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steam driven pump that's going to take

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the steam and then pump water back into

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the reactor but it's somewhere online

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you have to cool that right which means

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the ocean pumping it through a heat

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exchanger and back out they lost all of

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those sea water cooling pumps and then

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electricity the other pumps that would

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injection there are HR pumps for Decatur

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removal all of that equipment was

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electricity and after some period of

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time it was pretty obvious that they

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really had to go to plan D or F which

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was how do I get any water into those

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reactors and that was through the use of

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the water is not going to fall into the

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reactor if the reactor pressure is

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higher than that right which was steam

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in there it normally would be right so

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the water would flow in right there

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basically replacing the steam with water

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whatever that pump can put out so the

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water would flow in the pictures I've

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looked at you see the containment

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building and then you see the reactor

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inside of it are they pumping this water

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directly into the reactor or the

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containment around the react into the

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reactor itself now the steam that

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they're venting would be radioactive

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then in fact it's very radioactive

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because there was a matter of a number

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of hours where they didn't have any

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cooling right which meant that the fuel

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was damaged and we know the fuel was

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damaged for a number of different

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reasons one we had these big explosions

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what exploded was hydrogen how we got

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hydrogen was we got that cladding around

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the fuel up to at least 2,200 degrees

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released so when they vented the scheme

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there was hydrogen in the reactor and

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they eventually vented enough of it into

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the secondary containment to the point

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where they got enough hydrogen up there

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that they reached an explosive

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concentration and we had explosions in

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both the number one and number 3 reactor

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buildings and you can see from the

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pictures how extensively damaged those

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buildings are it's just a frame now so

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fuel damage is we're able to detect the

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fission products such as cesium and

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iodine in the environment yeah so how

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damaging would that be to people and how

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wide of an area without knowing the

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specific concentrations of the samples

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you really couldn't answer that question

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yeah somebody's doing the samples and

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getting the data now we're very lucky

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that the winds were blowing from the

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west to the east which was taking most

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of the radioactivity out over the ocean

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now obviously winds don't blow in one

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direction all the time also depending on

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the amount of radioactive particles

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released some of them are going to

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settle in around the plant and we know

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from the news in the past 24 hours that

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they have detected cesium and iodine in

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spinach milk and other agricultural

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products you mentioned that the fuel was

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damaged and we can tell it because of

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the hydrogen and the explosions now and

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the fission program and the fission

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products so now would that lead you to

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believe that the core went into at least

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partial meltdown or would you go that

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far I think any reasonable analysis of

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the situation would would lead you to

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believe that we've got some fairly

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significant core damage in each of those

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three reactors as well as the spent fuel

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or with regards to the actual reactor

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when a core goes into partial meltdown

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or full meltdown what does that mean

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exactly and what what can happen until

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we're until we're able to get into a

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recovery mode and probably months if not

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years from now when we're actually able

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to have these plants cool down not only

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temperature wise but radioactivity wise

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to allow you the pressure vessel head to

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be removed or allow for cameras to be

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sent in to look at the court we won't

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really know the extent of the damage

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whether we have fuel rods that have

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blistered whether we've actually got

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some warping of the fuel or whether we

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have substantial melting of part of the

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fuel it's impossible to say at this

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point in the game if I were to add you

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probably a percentage of the core and

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those four units that is melted and

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you had a Total core meltdown if the

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core goes into meltdown then you can't

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control the nuclear reaction potentially

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potentially right so if that continued

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to go on what could what would be the

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the fallout from now could it blow up

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could it could it the problem is it

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would make the situation worse the

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reactor was shut down and it's still

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generating a substantial amount of pee

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right if you were to have a situation

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where the neutron population was start

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to go back up and the reactor power

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would be going up then you're going to

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be generating a more heat making the

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situation even worse blow up is not the

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word that I would use however with that

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2,200 degrees that zirconium does

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interact with the water and form

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hydrogen and the hydrogen was you know

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what caused the explosions it is

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definitely a concern that you get

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hydrogen in the reactor itself

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source of oxygen that could cause an

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it's it's pretty unlikely that the fuel

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would explode per se yeah especially

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especially given that we know that we

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have some water in there if you had no

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water and there a more likely scenario

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would be it would it would melt through

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the the metal of the reactor vessel and

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into the containment building how far it

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would go in the containment building

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which is steel and concrete would depend

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on whether you could get water in there

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or not okay and if it if it potentially

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got out of the containment vessel I'm

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really bad yeah it would be a really bad

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movie everybody remembers the jettison

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yes and I don't know what we would call

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it over there because China is of course

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right next door so I don't know that we

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call that the Brazil syndrome or what

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but it's hard to answer these

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hypothetical questions given the reality

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of where we are we have water in there

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the situation now is not good but it's I

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think I explained for the last couple

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days of my interviews at least it's not

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getting worse every day right it's I

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hesitate to call it stable but

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relatively speaking you know a week ago

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every day you turn on the news it was

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getting worse every day yeah now it's

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getting a little bit better the the

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situation is stable with within within

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the context of how we want to use that

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word yeah they're definitely not out of

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the woods yet now the other thing that

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I've heard talked about is is that since

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these the outer buildings have had

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explosions in them and like you said one

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of them was really mangled how are they

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able to even get in there to do stuff

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and to vent like they've been doing and

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to get water into the reactor if I mean

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all these systems must be damaged well

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but what you can see is is the very

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tippy top of the building yeah which is

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where the refueling deck is on the spent

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fuel pool and the crane that allows you

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to do refueling and

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remove the head of the reactor and that

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type of thing everything else is down

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lower and you know the question is how

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much how much damage do we have down

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lower in the reactor building all of the

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pumps and heat exchanges that we would

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need to cool the reactor would be down

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lower they're not up there on that

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refueling all right actually so my hope

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is most of that is not damaged and since

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there's multiple redundant systems that

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they'll at least be able to get one

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system working in each of those

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buildings I think from a command and

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control perspective I don't know whether

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they change who's in charge or what but

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they seem to be going about it a lot

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better now than they were a few days ago

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they did quite a bit of work at units 5

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& 6 to stabilize those and those units

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now are not so much of a worry and

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they're going to start with their

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restoration efforts on unit 2 who's

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building has the least damage there was

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an explosion but nothing to the extent

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of the other buildings so externally you

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don't even really see any damage in that

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building right and so hopefully they'll

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restore some cool into that one and get

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that one under control and then turn

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their attentions to units 1 3 & 4 with

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what had happened after the tsunami hit

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with the power problems and everything

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else do you think that there was some

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significant human error that was done to

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create this kind of situation letting

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the water level get too low in the spent

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fuel pools not having and not even just

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from that from the aftermath but just

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from planning where the generators and

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stuff got knocked out so easily you hate

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to be a backseat driver but I was

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surprised when they started having

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trouble with the spent fuel pools

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knowing that they had fire pumps

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available and typically at a power plant

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you'll have a nonzero operator that

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would too around the building and

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inspect the building at least once an

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hour so normally somebody should have

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been up going up to the refueling deck

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and checking on the spent a few

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pull the temperature of the water levels

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every hour you would have thought that

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once they first noticed that the

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temperature was going up or the water

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level was going down that they would

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take one of the fire hoses and use that

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to refill the pool had they done that we

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wouldn't have had the explosion and all

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the damage at unit 4 in you know in my

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opinion you know that was a mistake that

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shouldn't have happened but you know I

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it's hard to second-guess because you

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don't know what the circumstances were

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that were going on at the time I mean

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there's you know three other reactors

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having partial fuel meltdowns explosions

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probably high radiation levels maybe it

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was to the point where nobody could

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could get up to that pool there was no

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way to get a fire hose up there and

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refill it I don't know but we could have

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done without the spent fuel pool

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problems and had we not had that to deal

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with i think the plant would be a lot

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farther along in the recovery because i

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really think that a lot of the high

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radiation levels have been caused by the

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issues that they've had with the spent

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fuel pools and obviously a lot of

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attention and focus helicopters fire

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trucks all those type of things now

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trying to get some water back on those

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pools that perhaps could have been

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avoided right and I guess I my last

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question will be how common are these

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types of plants and what other types of

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plants so around the world most most of

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the reactors are either pressurized

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water reactors for boiling water

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reactors and there's actually quite a

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few designs out there at this site the

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unit one at Fukushima one actually

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achieved criticality i think in 1970 and

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went into commercial operation in 1971

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what's a long time ago yeah that's 40

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years ago so nothing stands still and in

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fact in the 70s and 80s the designs were

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evolving fairly rapidly especially as

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more and more safety regulations were

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put in place and more more safety

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requirements the the designs evolved

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rapidly and in fact at unit 6 at this

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site the first five units have a mark 1

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containment design you know six has a

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mark 2 then there was a mark 3 so

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there's there's been an evolution of the

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of the boiling water reactor to design

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and the same is true for for the

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pressurized water reactor design the

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smaller ones originally were what we

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call to loop plants where there's two

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steam generators there was kind of an

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intermediate size that had three loops

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and then some of the larger ones had

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four originally this technology was

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developed an engineer in the United

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States and the big players were

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Westinghouse and General Electric

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overtime license agreements were done

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and so the French started off with

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Westinghouse plans but then took that

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design and essentially came up with

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their own designs and now they have

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their own company that sells nuclear

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power plants around the world and also

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Westinghouse was was sold and I think I

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got to get this right I think it's

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actually owned by Toshiba and I think

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it's G that has the partnership with

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Hitachi in the nuclear business the

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Koreans have developed their own nuclear

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power plant technology originally when

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they first did power plants in Korea

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they bought the designs from the

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traditional suppliers but now they've

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developed their own designs probably

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what most people are interested in was

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ok if we were going to build a nuclear

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power plant today what kind of design

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would it be I've been out of the

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industry for some years so I'm not a

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hundred percent up to speed then the

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newest design from Westinghouse is

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called the ap1000 and the big difference

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between that plant and the plants that

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were built in the 70s and 80s is there's

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a lot more passive safety systems the

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big problem at Fukushima was you needed

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electricity you needed the operators to

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be able to do some things the automatic

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systems kicked in the one they lost

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power everything went working and then

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it required people a lot of people that

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work very hard to try to minimize this

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those fire hoses didn't get hooked up by

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themselves those generators didn't just

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show up by themselves and a lot of

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people have worked very hard to get us

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to where we are now and hopefully we're

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on the verge of every day getting good

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news coming from that site but the newer

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designs like the ap1000 I think the

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latest design from G is called the EXP

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WR have a lot more passive features and

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the Westinghouse one is designed to go

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72 hours without anybody having to do

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anything and no electricity being

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required so had we had new Westinghouse

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8100 that's using a p1 thousands at this

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site we could have gone three days

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without needing anyone or any

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electricity and we would obviously been

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a lot better off than then we were with

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the plants of the vintage that that we

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have now huh part of the problem here is

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not really the design of the plants

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clearly the new generations are going to

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be better and safer the problem is when

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you when you build a planet you design

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to a certain design basis certain size

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earthquake certain size tsunami you know

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all those are taken into account in

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terms of how you put the plant together

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and somebody asked me a question about

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what's in between a plant that's in a

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place where its Geographic be stable and

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one that may be in a place where you

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might have a lot of earthquakes and I

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had the the plants that I worked out

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weren't fairly geologically stable areas

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but I had a chance to go do an

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inspection at trojan nuclear plant in

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Oregon which it's now shut down but

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obviously it wasn't at that time and it

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was amazing to me to see the differences

510
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in the plants how many additional

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supports they had on the piping all

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these hydraulic dampers all the

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different things that had to be taken

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into account because the geology of the

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area and the chance for for larger

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earthquakes but in this case I don't

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know what the actual design basis was

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but but nobody planned on a

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nine-point-oh mirthquake and certainly

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nobody planned on a thirty foot so now

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clearly that's what I'm saying whether

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or not we would restart units 5 & 6 what

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we have to look at and say is is it safe

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to restart them even if we could

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right given that we now know that we can

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have a nine-point-oh mirthquake and a

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30-foot tsunami it may turn out that

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that particular site is not a place

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where you want to have a nuclear power

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plant anymore right and and they're

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going to have to look at other sites in

532
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Japan I don't know what the site

533
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actually looks at the Fukushima to plant

534
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which is about seven miles away and how

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much damage they incurred from the

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tsunami and you know what the site looks

537
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like in terms of how well protected that

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plan is as well and there may be others

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that have to be looked at around the

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world in terms of the actual physical

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height of the plant and where the safety

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equipment is located versus the the

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chance of something more significant

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than what we originally designed the

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plants for well thank you very much for

546
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your time you're welcome hey bro hey bro

547
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,509
what's this message you sent me about a

548
00:23:27,529 --> 00:23:26,159
million dollars skeptic bros don't come

549
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:27,539
and finally cracked it a detection

550
00:23:31,879 --> 00:23:29,129
device that will prove the existence the

551
00:23:35,779 --> 00:23:31,889
paranormal what let me assure you hey

552
00:23:38,869 --> 00:23:35,789
help why are we in a cupboard check it

553
00:23:42,139 --> 00:23:38,879
out a new placebo band and it's glowing

554
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:42,149
yes in the dark that's when the ghosts

555
00:23:46,759 --> 00:23:44,250
are rebelled we're gonna win Randy's

556
00:23:48,499 --> 00:23:46,769
million dollars I'm going home let me

557
00:23:54,019 --> 00:23:48,509
out can't go but only opens from the

558
00:23:56,659 --> 00:23:54,029
outside go to scare dick balls get a

559
00:24:03,110 --> 00:23:56,669
glow in the doxy bulb and where you

560
00:24:11,140 --> 00:24:07,770
here's my not spooky action at a

561
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:13,160
you can talk about your worlds of

562
00:24:16,220 --> 00:24:14,760
science fiction you can talk about your

563
00:24:17,930 --> 00:24:16,230
star trek you can talk about your star

564
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:17,940
wars you can fly around the universe in

565
00:24:22,610 --> 00:24:20,490
a blue phone box but when you have one

566
00:24:25,970 --> 00:24:22,620
heart transplanted from one human being

567
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,980
to another and the guy who got it sir

568
00:24:28,940 --> 00:24:27,840
Robbie here man Robbie I've known you

569
00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:28,950
for a while I haven't seen you for a

570
00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:30,840
while only five weeks ago you had

571
00:24:35,690 --> 00:24:32,490
another heart put inside your chest

572
00:24:38,330 --> 00:24:35,700
people with hip operations don't get up

573
00:24:41,270 --> 00:24:38,340
that fast use it what's it like oh my

574
00:24:44,630 --> 00:24:41,280
it's fantastic I mean really for being

575
00:24:47,060 --> 00:24:44,640
so sick and suddenly out of nowhere to

576
00:24:48,620 --> 00:24:47,070
get told you're going to live Robin was

577
00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:48,630
it a degenerative heart disease or a

578
00:24:54,170 --> 00:24:50,750
specific disease you had I'd swine flu

579
00:24:57,410 --> 00:24:54,180
so basically had the flu and from the

580
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:57,420
flu caused major heart damage and I

581
00:25:03,260 --> 00:25:00,720
don't wait about five times so it was

582
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:03,270
pretty heavy I mean it was um I just got

583
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:05,130
a photo with the green Reaper so I had

584
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,210
to get out because was Green River

585
00:25:10,340 --> 00:25:09,000
walking around the convention so I had

586
00:25:11,540 --> 00:25:10,350
to get out one and you got a photo of

587
00:25:13,730 --> 00:25:11,550
yourself giving him the finger know that

588
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:13,740
yeah not this time buddy because we hear

589
00:25:17,150 --> 00:25:15,330
about how dangerous a swine flu what's

590
00:25:19,130 --> 00:25:17,160
the most people gotta yeah you know most

591
00:25:20,540 --> 00:25:19,140
people I'm not in that group I won't get

592
00:25:22,820 --> 00:25:20,550
back side and everything but you're an

593
00:25:25,340 --> 00:25:22,830
example of the most vulnerable group you

594
00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:25,350
will someone with a problem and spine

595
00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:26,850
flu got you and then you needed a new

596
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:28,980
heart yeah that's right and remember not

597
00:25:33,890 --> 00:25:31,260
all the scanner it's very sad when you

598
00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:33,900
sit down and go for a clinic and you see

599
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,610
so many people sick with lungs and heart

600
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:37,860
and how many people waiting and there's

601
00:25:41,660 --> 00:25:40,440
a lot of people waiting so donate I mean

602
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,670
that's the main thing I say to people

603
00:25:45,650 --> 00:25:43,440
talk to your family like the ads go

604
00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:45,660
because at the end of the day even if

605
00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:47,310
you gotten your license or you got your

606
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:49,860
own card doesn't mean jack because it's

607
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:51,840
your mum or dad what's your partner's

608
00:25:57,020 --> 00:25:54,570
who make out decision so tell me your

609
00:26:00,290 --> 00:25:57,030
wishes yeah and the fact is a young boy

610
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,300
who died was 25 who gave me a chance to

611
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:02,640
live I got two children and he gave

612
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:05,570
seven of us life

613
00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:08,090
and that family worst time in their

614
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:10,790
lives gave us life Robbie as someone who

615
00:26:14,260 --> 00:26:12,530
has worked their life in sci-fi and

616
00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:14,270
fantasy you died a couple of times

617
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:16,370
you've been through what only a couple

618
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:18,170
of years ago would be a scientifically

619
00:26:23,020 --> 00:26:20,810
impossible operation did you see any

620
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:23,030
bright lights 20 tunnel did the Grim

621
00:26:26,050 --> 00:26:24,410
Reaper come along from you know from

622
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:26,060
family guy and say hello what was going

623
00:26:30,820 --> 00:26:28,010
on I you know I was waiting to their I

624
00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:30,830
was hoping to see a lie which scares me

625
00:26:35,890 --> 00:26:33,560
because I'm going oh no I didn't see any

626
00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:35,900
like I don't know I just knew it wasn't

627
00:26:40,540 --> 00:26:38,750
my time when they brought my wife in and

628
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:40,550
this is a true story now this is really

629
00:26:45,820 --> 00:26:43,010
true they said you know do I want to get

630
00:26:48,100 --> 00:26:45,830
my last rites and all and I had a mask

631
00:26:49,780 --> 00:26:48,110
on and I took it down and all the

632
00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:49,790
doctors and nurses are standing I got

633
00:26:56,860 --> 00:26:55,040
jet I night put it back God yeah Alvin

634
00:26:59,050 --> 00:26:56,870
was so serious because they were working

635
00:27:00,520 --> 00:26:59,060
very hard on me and it all cracked up I

636
00:27:02,110 --> 00:27:00,530
thought it was funny it made everyone

637
00:27:03,460 --> 00:27:02,120
calm down a little bit well that's

638
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:03,470
better than saying atheist because it's

639
00:27:06,820 --> 00:27:05,210
really good it's going to confuse him no

640
00:27:10,420 --> 00:27:06,830
end have we got one of them we got one

641
00:27:13,030 --> 00:27:10,430
downstairs even when I was dying I think

642
00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:13,040
that nerd in me came out for me Maynard

643
00:27:16,090 --> 00:27:14,600
you didn't see me for Cubby's but I was

644
00:27:17,830 --> 00:27:16,100
treated seeking in the end even looking

645
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:17,840
at you now do when I saw you a couple of

646
00:27:21,610 --> 00:27:19,820
years ago before the colors back in the

647
00:27:23,260 --> 00:27:21,620
face the dark rings it even I've still

648
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:23,270
got under my eyes are gone under your

649
00:27:26,230 --> 00:27:24,890
eyes they're me so is anything like you

650
00:27:27,730 --> 00:27:26,240
can't do now named got the Hat they're

651
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:27,740
like you don't want to smoke or drink

652
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:29,360
too much there you know but you don't

653
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,770
want to do that I mean main thing is

654
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:33,200
respect my donor and that's a big thing

655
00:27:38,170 --> 00:27:35,690
is they get through our heads we've been

656
00:27:40,690 --> 00:27:38,180
given life I think it bizarre thing was

657
00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:40,700
I was ready to die and i was at that

658
00:27:44,830 --> 00:27:42,140
stage know where i was going to die in

659
00:27:47,620 --> 00:27:44,840
three months and you cite your head up

660
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:47,630
for death then suddenly they come in and

661
00:27:52,660 --> 00:27:49,610
open a window basically are blind and

662
00:27:55,030 --> 00:27:52,670
say to you go live your life and that's

663
00:27:58,060 --> 00:27:55,040
bizarre because you know you've cited

664
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,070
yourself up because yeah I've been here

665
00:28:02,560 --> 00:27:59,840
I don't ever do that again i wanna i

666
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:02,570
want to see life the great surgeons are

667
00:28:06,220 --> 00:28:04,010
the great nurses and the people down to

668
00:28:08,350 --> 00:28:06,230
st. Vincent's and what our Aussie

669
00:28:09,910 --> 00:28:08,360
doctors doing and I Z nurses are

670
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:09,920
fantastic man

671
00:28:13,060 --> 00:28:11,270
yeah we're the best in the world would

672
00:28:15,310 --> 00:28:13,070
mine it's just add seen some of the

673
00:28:17,650 --> 00:28:15,320
equipment mostly equipment is donated

674
00:28:19,660 --> 00:28:17,660
we've got the best in the world and all

675
00:28:21,580 --> 00:28:19,670
our equipments donated Robbie Cano cuz

676
00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:21,590
it's great chatting to you it's great

677
00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:23,600
seeing you up and around only after five

678
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:25,370
weeks for the new heart many more years

679
00:28:28,030 --> 00:28:27,050
there so 25 year old heart that means

680
00:28:29,890 --> 00:28:28,040
you're gonna live to be a hundred and

681
00:28:30,940 --> 00:28:29,900
seventy there's no hey I hope so you get

682
00:28:32,350 --> 00:28:30,950
anything from the heart people so you

683
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:32,360
get a heart transplant you get and you

684
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:34,190
get some of the person's emotions or

685
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:35,930
something is that true is just the drugs

686
00:28:41,170 --> 00:28:37,970
like you go I don't know that doctors

687
00:28:44,140 --> 00:28:41,180
say no right nurses and transplant

688
00:28:45,820 --> 00:28:44,150
patients say yes so what do you got a 25

689
00:28:47,260 --> 00:28:45,830
year old so have you been hooning in the

690
00:28:50,050 --> 00:28:47,270
car more than normally what's been going

691
00:28:53,860 --> 00:28:50,060
on it dragged much run my thing is I was

692
00:28:56,020 --> 00:28:53,870
a soft drink nut I love coca cola I love

693
00:28:58,840 --> 00:28:56,030
soft drink and I can't tape soft drink

694
00:29:01,780 --> 00:28:58,850
now at all at all I just hate the taste

695
00:29:04,330 --> 00:29:01,790
it's not I don't know it was bizarre I

696
00:29:08,350 --> 00:29:04,340
just can't put soft drink I drink fresh

697
00:29:09,850 --> 00:29:08,360
juices water milk which it doesn't sound

698
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:09,860
like a bad change that sounds like snow

699
00:29:15,090 --> 00:29:12,410
not anymore everyone study there any air

700
00:29:17,260 --> 00:29:15,100
but I mean for me it was that was a

701
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:17,270
mind-blowing you know and coffee and tea

702
00:29:23,850 --> 00:29:21,650
I'm not into my own coffee shops I can't

703
00:29:27,340 --> 00:29:23,860
drink coffee and I can't drink teas

704
00:29:30,100 --> 00:29:27,350
verbal to you know and that's weird and

705
00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:30,110
the guy who got the lungs was my heat

706
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:32,540
went in the same time as me some a

707
00:29:38,290 --> 00:29:35,600
double lung guy and he he's been in the

708
00:29:40,660 --> 00:29:38,300
country use a big dutch bug and he's

709
00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:40,670
been here 30 years and he knew he hated

710
00:29:46,450 --> 00:29:44,120
Weetabix and now he's obsessed of eating

711
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:46,460
Weetabix and he got out in a hospital it

712
00:29:50,830 --> 00:29:48,050
sums me with soft drink I couldn't dream

713
00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:50,840
soft drink so and we've got told our guy

714
00:29:55,030 --> 00:29:53,600
was a very healthy triathlete you never

715
00:29:56,620 --> 00:29:55,040
know and they don't like talking about

716
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:56,630
it because people get turned off of that

717
00:30:03,040 --> 00:29:59,360
DNA going into someone but all I can say

718
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:03,050
is that family he lives on in us Robbie

719
00:30:05,770 --> 00:30:04,490
Monica's you obviously going to tell

720
00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:05,780
people to make sure that not only they

721
00:30:08,770 --> 00:30:07,430
tick the donation box on their license

722
00:30:10,810 --> 00:30:08,780
but they discuss it with their family

723
00:30:13,450 --> 00:30:10,820
that's the main thing talk to your mom

724
00:30:15,310 --> 00:30:13,460
and dad talk to you your partner's talk

725
00:30:17,260 --> 00:30:15,320
to your loved ones tell them what your

726
00:30:19,450 --> 00:30:17,270
wishes are because at the end of the day

727
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:19,460
taking your license doing leaving the

728
00:30:23,300 --> 00:30:20,640
donors card means jack

729
00:30:24,500 --> 00:30:23,310
okay if I don't know your wishes yeah

730
00:30:26,810 --> 00:30:24,510
it's very important because remember

731
00:30:29,210 --> 00:30:26,820
seven people live today because of

732
00:30:31,070 --> 00:30:29,220
someone sat down and talked to their

733
00:30:33,260 --> 00:30:31,080
family five weeks and you up and around

734
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:33,270
I need to lie down two days after big

735
00:30:51,570 --> 00:30:36,000
weekend yeah no this is great but thank

736
00:30:55,810 --> 00:30:53,890
astronomy cast it takes a fact-based

737
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:55,820
journey through the cosmos as it offers

738
00:31:00,400 --> 00:30:57,710
listeners weekly discussions on

739
00:31:03,310 --> 00:31:00,410
astronomical topics ranging from planets

740
00:31:05,620 --> 00:31:03,320
to cosmology hosted by Fraser Cain of

741
00:31:06,610 --> 00:31:05,630
Universe Today and myself dr. Pamela

742
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:06,620
gave southern illinois university

743
00:31:11,170 --> 00:31:09,290
edwardsville this show brings the

744
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:11,180
questions of an avid astronomy lover

745
00:31:15,700 --> 00:31:13,610
directly to an astronomer together

746
00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:15,710
Fraser and I explore what is known and

747
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:17,240
being discovered about the universe

748
00:31:22,060 --> 00:31:20,000
around us join us each week as we take a

749
00:31:33,340 --> 00:31:22,070
fact space journey through the cosmos at

750
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,350
astronomy cast calm here's a clip from

751
00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:36,080
the TV show the circle here in Australia

752
00:31:52,140 --> 00:31:39,260
on channel 10 where the panel discuss

753
00:31:55,950 --> 00:31:54,690
circle it's almost flu season and this

754
00:31:57,300 --> 00:31:55,960
year parents are getting some mixed

755
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,310
messages about whether or not to give

756
00:32:01,470 --> 00:31:59,440
their kids a flu shot for her view on

757
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:01,480
this issue we welcome back to the circle

758
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:09,610
dr. uncle d for Daniel some experts

759
00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:11,050
saying yes you definitely should and

760
00:32:14,670 --> 00:32:12,340
summer saying you definitely shouldn't

761
00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:14,680
what's your call well look I think that

762
00:32:18,830 --> 00:32:16,900
most Australian doctors would be very

763
00:32:21,540 --> 00:32:18,840
much in favor of vaccinating kids

764
00:32:24,330 --> 00:32:21,550
against the flu especially given that we

765
00:32:27,050 --> 00:32:24,340
still have deaths and definitely quite a

766
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:27,060
few hospitalizations in kids especially

767
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:30,640
with flu-like or flu related illness

768
00:32:36,390 --> 00:32:33,370
yeah the controversies come up because

769
00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:36,400
last year with one particular brand of

770
00:32:41,820 --> 00:32:39,280
flu vaccination there was a higher risk

771
00:32:44,010 --> 00:32:41,830
of what we call febrile convulsions it

772
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:44,020
was about one in every hundred kids

773
00:32:50,730 --> 00:32:46,090
vaccinated under the age of five or so

774
00:32:52,350 --> 00:32:50,740
now this is one particular brand and in

775
00:32:54,210 --> 00:32:52,360
Australia were quite lucky in that as

776
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:54,220
soon as something like this happens the

777
00:32:58,980 --> 00:32:55,600
TDA the Therapeutic Goods Administration

778
00:33:02,100 --> 00:32:58,990
comes in they recall the batch and they

779
00:33:04,980 --> 00:33:02,110
decide why it happened and how we should

780
00:33:07,530 --> 00:33:04,990
say who safely proceed now it's deemed

781
00:33:09,930 --> 00:33:07,540
safe at the moment that we use the two

782
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:09,940
other brands of flu vaccination but

783
00:33:13,530 --> 00:33:11,410
certainly that one brand that caused the

784
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:13,540
problem we're not vaccinating kids

785
00:33:17,070 --> 00:33:15,520
anymore with that brand deeper the thing

786
00:33:18,660 --> 00:33:17,080
i always hear is the way the

787
00:33:21,690 --> 00:33:18,670
vaccinations are grown and sort of

788
00:33:23,610 --> 00:33:21,700
created is by using last year's flu so

789
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:23,620
there's a whole new batch of yuckie

790
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:25,690
strains of flu that we're not able to

791
00:33:29,130 --> 00:33:27,730
vaccinate against so it's a little bit

792
00:33:32,610 --> 00:33:29,140
pointless and it's a little bit like a

793
00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:32,620
placebo well we actually know that it

794
00:33:37,380 --> 00:33:34,390
definitely so there's very good research

795
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:37,390
out to suggest that it does we are able

796
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:40,000
to predict the strains based on we're

797
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:43,210
very lucky because europe us they have

798
00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:45,490
the flu before we do and so based on

799
00:33:49,290 --> 00:33:46,870
that we're able to predict the strains

800
00:33:51,450 --> 00:33:49,300
that will most likely be the strains

801
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:51,460
causing problems unfortunately the flu

802
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:54,610
the virus changes constantly and so it

803
00:33:59,340 --> 00:33:56,530
changes its surface proteins which means

804
00:34:02,160 --> 00:33:59,350
if it changes and becomes what we call a

805
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:02,170
pandemic or a new epidemic we can't

806
00:34:05,390 --> 00:34:04,050
actually predict those changes and so

807
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:05,400
you know there is always a risk that

808
00:34:11,030 --> 00:34:09,450
there will be a new flu but even then

809
00:34:13,070 --> 00:34:11,040
the flu vaccine has been shown to

810
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:13,080
decrease the severity of those new

811
00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:15,090
manats right yeah it's a bonus doubt

812
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:18,360
anyone can get an immunization but who

813
00:34:21,980 --> 00:34:20,490
should be getting it yes so at the

814
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:21,990
moment there's controversy because some

815
00:34:26,630 --> 00:34:24,810
experts are suggesting that we put the

816
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:26,640
flu vaccination into the current

817
00:34:31,580 --> 00:34:28,980
immunization schedule for children now

818
00:34:33,350 --> 00:34:31,590
that isn't yet the case so whilst it's

819
00:34:35,210 --> 00:34:33,360
recommended for all Australians it's

820
00:34:37,340 --> 00:34:35,220
strongly recommended for certain groups

821
00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:37,350
who are at risk of significant

822
00:34:41,510 --> 00:34:39,150
complications so these are complications

823
00:34:43,490 --> 00:34:41,520
like pneumonia heart problems leave our

824
00:34:46,580 --> 00:34:43,500
problems blood problems because of the

825
00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:46,590
flu these people are anyone over the age

826
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:48,720
of 65 they should definitely be getting

827
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:50,820
the flu vaccine and they should be

828
00:34:56,510 --> 00:34:53,610
getting it free indigenous people over

829
00:34:58,070 --> 00:34:56,520
the age of 15 pregnant women and we know

830
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:58,080
that pregnant women for some reason are

831
00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:01,020
more susceptible to the flu virus and

832
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:02,940
that can be at any time during their

833
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:06,780
pregnancy at all and finally anyone over

834
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:08,610
the age of six months who has a chronic

835
00:35:13,340 --> 00:35:10,710
illness that puts them at that higher

836
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:13,350
risk so that could include asthma it can

837
00:35:18,860 --> 00:35:16,370
include heart problems it can include

838
00:35:20,690 --> 00:35:18,870
immunity problems that happen like with

839
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:20,700
diabetes and things so there are a lot

840
00:35:24,350 --> 00:35:22,560
of people in that group who would get a

841
00:35:26,660 --> 00:35:24,360
free vaccination so speak to your GP

842
00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:26,670
about whether or not that's appropriate

843
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:30,060
for you yeah Georgie had a prim baby yes

844
00:35:34,670 --> 00:35:32,610
what should she get that Molly look

845
00:35:36,530 --> 00:35:34,680
about the age of six months she should

846
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,540
have a really serious discussion with

847
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,160
her GP as to whether or not that's the

848
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:40,500
best thing for her and it also includes

849
00:35:45,380 --> 00:35:42,930
how much you're amongst other children

850
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:45,390
how much you're amongst other people who

851
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:47,610
might be a reservoir for infection how

852
00:35:50,750 --> 00:35:48,900
does it make you feel does it mean if

853
00:35:53,870 --> 00:35:50,760
you little groggy and yuck the flu

854
00:35:55,850 --> 00:35:53,880
vaccination the flu vaccination can give

855
00:35:58,010 --> 00:35:55,860
you what we call a flu-like illness it's

856
00:36:00,050 --> 00:35:58,020
it's not a live virus that can't give

857
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,060
you the flu even if you get a little bit

858
00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:01,920
of favor a little bit of you know

859
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,040
feeling unwell bit of a cough cold

860
00:36:08,810 --> 00:36:06,240
you're not contagious so you're not

861
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:08,820
going to spread that on to anyone and

862
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:10,290
that tends to last two or three days

863
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,450
okay yeah I was going to ask exactly the

864
00:36:17,390 --> 00:36:15,060
same question because it is it is it in

865
00:36:19,990 --> 00:36:17,400
fact a small portion

866
00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:20,000
of the flu no it's a it's a change

867
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:23,580
surface protein so it's been completely

868
00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:26,490
deactivated and it's not a live virus at

869
00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:28,740
all so why do you get a little bit sick

870
00:36:33,410 --> 00:36:30,630
and you get it part of your immune

871
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:33,420
response so by giving a small portion of

872
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:36,720
a virus or a change portion of a virus

873
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:38,430
we're trying to stimulate the immune

874
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:40,320
response and in doing so unfortunately

875
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:43,020
you can get those side effects which

876
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:45,690
again much less severe than the actual

877
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:46,980
flu the actual flow is quite

878
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:49,410
debilitating it takes about 7 to 10 days

879
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:52,290
to get better from it and so it's a very

880
00:37:16,360 --> 00:36:54,690
specific quite debilitating illness and

881
00:37:20,780 --> 00:37:19,190
hi I'm on it oh yeah Chris 10 or even

882
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:20,790
tips advice on lotion lifted off the

883
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:22,530
skeptic zone I'm skeptical in la liga

884
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:24,930
the VINs not a blog gear or pub def a

885
00:37:29,210 --> 00:37:26,910
podcast of reading and skip sistemas

886
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:29,220
leaks in this drama central data skips

887
00:37:33,380 --> 00:37:31,170
estas mo or hyper besides the deeps

888
00:37:35,270 --> 00:37:33,390
corner Chiclets and calendar / activated

889
00:37:36,860 --> 00:37:35,280
or link eternity research it skips this

890
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:36,870
blog in okla 30 I'm layer or the biscuit

891
00:37:40,190 --> 00:37:38,280
headers hefty performance so stick

892
00:37:53,810 --> 00:37:40,200
kingdom of their Todd Rosa escapes his

893
00:37:56,420 --> 00:37:53,820
dogs hello if only we could look into

894
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:56,430
the future it's a very interesting topic

895
00:38:02,360 --> 00:37:59,040
and dr. rachey and I a few weeks ago

896
00:38:04,910 --> 00:38:02,370
went to radio 2 GB and discussed this

897
00:38:14,420 --> 00:38:04,920
very topic with our good friend Glen

898
00:38:16,670 --> 00:38:14,430
wheeler Natalie pleaders it's the story

899
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:16,680
is just getting worse quite frankly as

900
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:19,650
the death toll rises some 140 550

901
00:38:24,020 --> 00:38:21,450
confirmed dead and still 200 missing

902
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,030
it's it's just an absolute disaster and

903
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:26,640
in this country alone we've seen parts

904
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:27,990
of the country ravaged by bush fires

905
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:30,300
we've had floods we've had the recent

906
00:38:35,150 --> 00:38:33,450
cyclone of course and then on tuesday of

907
00:38:37,250 --> 00:38:35,160
last week a devastating earthquake which

908
00:38:38,780 --> 00:38:37,260
is all but destroyed christchurch

909
00:38:40,970 --> 00:38:38,790
they're saying now a third of the city

910
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:40,980
will have to be rebuilt on the

911
00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:42,810
international scene of courses there's

912
00:38:45,860 --> 00:38:44,100
been other upheaval there's been

913
00:38:49,010 --> 00:38:45,870
civilian revolutions on a major scale in

914
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:49,020
Tunisia in Egypt and in Iran so where

915
00:38:54,260 --> 00:38:52,110
are the modern day Nostradamus why

916
00:38:56,810 --> 00:38:54,270
haven't the Guru's of psychic wizardry

917
00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:56,820
been able to foresee such events and be

918
00:39:00,050 --> 00:38:58,650
able to warn people of the impending

919
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:00,060
dangers and thereby help save lives

920
00:39:05,930 --> 00:39:03,050
surely if the people who purport to be

921
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,940
experts are being able to see the future

922
00:39:10,610 --> 00:39:08,400
and tell us what's going to happen in

923
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:10,620
the next 12 months surely if they have

924
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:13,170
fair dinkum then disasters of this girl

925
00:39:17,150 --> 00:39:14,730
should appear on their radar I would

926
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:17,160
have thought so anyway dr. Rocha Dunlop

927
00:39:20,780 --> 00:39:18,690
and Richard Saunders from the Australian

928
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:20,790
skeptics join us live in the studio to

929
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:22,170
discuss it a little bit more detail hi

930
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:24,090
guys thank you for coming in high Glen

931
00:39:28,479 --> 00:39:26,940
good evening them um how is it that they

932
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:28,489
can talk to the dead for

933
00:39:34,249 --> 00:39:32,190
fluctuations in currency tell us about

934
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:34,259
you know Hollywood marriages which they

935
00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:36,930
think will survive or fail according to

936
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:38,700
how they feel at the time and yet it

937
00:39:43,370 --> 00:39:41,640
would seem to my my reckoning none of

938
00:39:44,989 --> 00:39:43,380
this has been predicted and we're only

939
00:39:47,749 --> 00:39:44,999
we're less than two months into the year

940
00:39:50,359 --> 00:39:47,759
it's been an amazing year as you're

941
00:39:53,059 --> 00:39:50,369
saying newswise just staggering in fact

942
00:39:54,620 --> 00:39:53,069
and you know what when I don't like to

943
00:39:57,049 --> 00:39:54,630
use the word prediction because it's not

944
00:39:59,690 --> 00:39:57,059
a good word it's not accurate I think

945
00:40:00,979 --> 00:39:59,700
the word guessing is the best word we've

946
00:40:03,559 --> 00:40:00,989
got people out there who call themselves

947
00:40:04,999 --> 00:40:03,569
psychics and clairvoyants and every year

948
00:40:06,670 --> 00:40:05,009
at the end of the year towards the end

949
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:06,680
of the year though we'll make lots of

950
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:09,599
gases like we all can make lots of

951
00:40:15,049 --> 00:40:12,690
guesses some of those guesses will come

952
00:40:16,999 --> 00:40:15,059
true some of those guesses will be sort

953
00:40:19,430 --> 00:40:17,009
of a bit iffy but they'll say they're

954
00:40:22,069 --> 00:40:19,440
true and most of their guesses in fact

955
00:40:25,009 --> 00:40:22,079
last year last year in their own

956
00:40:26,329 --> 00:40:25,019
magazine the psychics directory I mean

957
00:40:29,420 --> 00:40:26,339
the year before they made all sorts of

958
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:29,430
predictions for 2010 and we carefully

959
00:40:34,029 --> 00:40:31,079
analyzed all their predictions

960
00:40:38,509 --> 00:40:34,039
Australia's top psychics they got

961
00:40:40,370 --> 00:40:38,519
ninety-three percent wrong so if someone

962
00:40:41,749 --> 00:40:40,380
comes along cousins calls themselves a

963
00:40:43,579 --> 00:40:41,759
psychic clairvoyant and they've got

964
00:40:45,799 --> 00:40:43,589
predictions or guesses for the next year

965
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:45,809
you can bet your next hot dinner but

966
00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:47,729
they will be something like 90 or eighty

967
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:50,849
ninety percent wrong absolutely wrong so

968
00:40:54,799 --> 00:40:52,650
it's no surprise course they can't see

969
00:40:57,799 --> 00:40:54,809
these major events coming so so how did

970
00:41:00,859 --> 00:40:57,809
okay but on that basis though how do

971
00:41:03,049 --> 00:41:00,869
they and I did try to make contact with

972
00:41:06,259 --> 00:41:03,059
a couple of you know prominent

973
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:06,269
well-known prominent psychics to come on

974
00:41:11,269 --> 00:41:08,729
the program tonight and be available by

975
00:41:13,789 --> 00:41:11,279
phone to to basically you know counter

976
00:41:15,109 --> 00:41:13,799
the argument that they can't see the

977
00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:15,119
future because if they could that would

978
00:41:19,789 --> 00:41:16,559
have predicted some of this stuff how

979
00:41:22,130 --> 00:41:19,799
can they purport them to be beside kick

980
00:41:25,819 --> 00:41:22,140
when this sort of stuff on a major major

981
00:41:27,380 --> 00:41:25,829
scale is it happened within two months

982
00:41:28,969 --> 00:41:27,390
of the year I mean it was only December

983
00:41:30,410 --> 00:41:28,979
that we had anybody who was anybody in

984
00:41:32,390 --> 00:41:30,420
the psychic world saying here are my

985
00:41:34,339 --> 00:41:32,400
predictions for 2011 oh and by the way

986
00:41:36,650 --> 00:41:34,349
if you want to buy them it's 55 cents a

987
00:41:38,630 --> 00:41:36,660
minute that's right well the problem is

988
00:41:40,130 --> 00:41:38,640
there nobody checks up on them I mean

989
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:40,140
wit really we're probably the only

990
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:41,970
people that bother to read

991
00:41:46,820 --> 00:41:44,609
the 2009 Australian psychics directory

992
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:46,830
and then look back and see if what

993
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:49,380
they've said about 2010 is correct so

994
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:50,880
every year they're sort of wheeled out

995
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,770
onto a current affair or the you know

996
00:41:56,900 --> 00:41:55,440
the the shows that do that stuff at the

997
00:41:58,520 --> 00:41:56,910
end of the year but then nobody goes

998
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:58,530
back to check so if nobody's going to

999
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:00,570
say hey you didn't get it right then no

1000
00:42:05,540 --> 00:42:03,599
one knows so it doesn't matter I I saw

1001
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:05,550
you sent me through the top predictions

1002
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:07,890
for 2011 which is really quite

1003
00:42:12,500 --> 00:42:09,570
fascinating the one that I thought was

1004
00:42:14,450 --> 00:42:12,510
just outstanding was by a fella called

1005
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:14,460
Brett vollis who I've never heard of but

1006
00:42:19,099 --> 00:42:16,859
obviously in some part of the world he

1007
00:42:20,599 --> 00:42:19,109
must be famous I guess who says Prince

1008
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:20,609
William and Kate Middleton will confirm

1009
00:42:25,870 --> 00:42:22,050
they are expecting not long after their

1010
00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:25,880
marriage well stop the past amazing

1011
00:42:32,890 --> 00:42:29,099
oppressors Oh hold the phone in other

1012
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:32,900
news in other news glenn circles around

1013
00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:35,490
yeah but as you said before this stuff

1014
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,470
is not helpful you know hang on hang on

1015
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:39,119
no Roger don't get too carried away

1016
00:42:42,950 --> 00:42:41,010
because he goes on to say after he says

1017
00:42:44,839 --> 00:42:42,960
that they are expecting not long after

1018
00:42:47,180 --> 00:42:44,849
their marriage he goes on to say twins

1019
00:42:52,010 --> 00:42:47,190
show up as I wait for this great

1020
00:42:54,740 --> 00:42:52,020
possibility that mean it's going to

1021
00:42:56,270 --> 00:42:54,750
happen or not well I think he's right

1022
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,280
though he is a hundred percent correct

1023
00:43:00,829 --> 00:42:59,040
it's possible it's possibility that

1024
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:00,839
twins will show up if they do confirm

1025
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,609
they're expecting not long after their

1026
00:43:07,339 --> 00:43:05,339
marriage now not long could be two years

1027
00:43:09,349 --> 00:43:07,349
it could be anything but again if it

1028
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,359
happens if by the end of the year we

1029
00:43:13,099 --> 00:43:11,280
discover that they're expecting twins

1030
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:13,109
they'll be crowing the psychics will be

1031
00:43:18,079 --> 00:43:15,450
crying if it doesn't happen who's who

1032
00:43:22,190 --> 00:43:18,089
cares it's gone it vaporizes but the one

1033
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:22,200
that caught my eye was this year someone

1034
00:43:26,750 --> 00:43:24,930
by the name of jade sky made this

1035
00:43:27,770 --> 00:43:26,760
prediction I mean that at the end of

1036
00:43:30,650 --> 00:43:27,780
last year they made this prediction

1037
00:43:34,940 --> 00:43:30,660
major flooding will occur for the

1038
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:34,950
eastern seaboard of australia until i

1039
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:36,720
looked at the website of the bureau of

1040
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:39,089
meteorology and i discovered that major

1041
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,480
flooding occurs every year on the

1042
00:43:47,630 --> 00:43:45,060
eastern seaboard of australia I mean

1043
00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:47,640
it's similar Richard to in 2009 one of

1044
00:43:51,020 --> 00:43:49,380
the psychic said there's going to be an

1045
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:51,030
earthquake on the San Andreas Fault Line

1046
00:43:57,349 --> 00:43:54,690
Glenn now when isn't it

1047
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,359
I mean at the fault line boy it's called

1048
00:44:03,410 --> 00:44:00,480
the sentence hold on but again I kept

1049
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:03,420
coming back to this the very serious

1050
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:05,280
aspect of all of this but right now as

1051
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:07,530
we sit here and talk about this that

1052
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:10,770
Christ Church has been decimated by an

1053
00:44:15,530 --> 00:44:13,410
earthquake yep and in none of this

1054
00:44:17,420 --> 00:44:15,540
literature that you've got which you

1055
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:17,430
know it covers a whole bunch of hot

1056
00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:18,930
predictions for 2011 with so-called

1057
00:44:22,670 --> 00:44:20,730
experts yeah not one of them said

1058
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:22,680
christchurch new zealand or even

1059
00:44:28,220 --> 00:44:25,230
somewhere in the southern South Pacific

1060
00:44:30,849 --> 00:44:28,230
ya know it well of course as sad as

1061
00:44:33,589 --> 00:44:30,859
Christchurch is and it's desperately sad

1062
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:33,599
Rachel you've got one there just to

1063
00:44:39,620 --> 00:44:35,250
remind us all that there was a huge

1064
00:44:42,650 --> 00:44:39,630
earthquake in Haiti not so long ago last

1065
00:44:44,839 --> 00:44:42,660
year and as sad as the death toll in New

1066
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:44,849
Zealand is the death toll in Haiti was

1067
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:49,410
many many many ways 230,000 I mean you

1068
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:52,710
can't I'm please i'm not a comparator

1069
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:54,720
but they didn't see that at all look the

1070
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:57,420
bottom line is glen these people make

1071
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:58,920
their living by making lots of

1072
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:00,660
predictions look where there's that word

1073
00:45:05,390 --> 00:45:03,599
lots of guesses some they'll do you know

1074
00:45:07,579 --> 00:45:05,400
they'll try and get it really specific a

1075
00:45:10,099 --> 00:45:07,589
lot of them are vague and year after

1076
00:45:11,780 --> 00:45:10,109
year after year who cares they just keep

1077
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,790
making their money and making these

1078
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:14,400
these wild guesses in some situations

1079
00:45:18,410 --> 00:45:16,650
joined in the studio by dr. dr. Rachel

1080
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:18,420
Dunlop and Richard Saunders from the

1081
00:45:22,579 --> 00:45:20,250
Australian skeptics if you if you have a

1082
00:45:24,079 --> 00:45:22,589
comment or a question that you'd like to

1083
00:45:28,430 --> 00:45:24,089
put to us and jump on the phone right

1084
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:28,440
now 131 873 is the number 25 29 all

1085
00:45:32,660 --> 00:45:30,210
right Rachel Dunlop and Richard Saunders

1086
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,670
my guests in the studio just talking

1087
00:45:38,660 --> 00:45:34,560
about the fact that we've had all of

1088
00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:38,670
these major earth-shattering devastating

1089
00:45:42,079 --> 00:45:40,800
things happen in less than two months of

1090
00:45:44,569 --> 00:45:42,089
the year and yet none of them saw it

1091
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:44,579
coming no of course not I mean let's

1092
00:45:49,700 --> 00:45:47,640
let's look at this real in their

1093
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:49,710
realistic real glasses on here Glenn

1094
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:51,930
people can't look into the future people

1095
00:45:55,220 --> 00:45:53,130
can make lots of guesses they can make

1096
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:55,230
educated guesses you know they can

1097
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:56,970
predict the market that's that's a good

1098
00:46:00,079 --> 00:45:58,200
use of the water we keep coming back to

1099
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:00,089
the old let's save our Factory and if it

1100
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:01,650
feels good for you and you like the

1101
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:03,270
sound of what you're getting go for it

1102
00:46:06,410 --> 00:46:04,980
because one of the one of the psychics

1103
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:06,420
that I did contact today I left a number

1104
00:46:10,100 --> 00:46:07,770
for him to call

1105
00:46:11,570 --> 00:46:10,110
me I know it on his website says you

1106
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:11,580
know do apart from all the other

1107
00:46:15,350 --> 00:46:13,770
business about how you can tell you

1108
00:46:16,610 --> 00:46:15,360
what's going on in your life he says do

1109
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:16,620
you need clarity and guidance in your

1110
00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:18,690
life today if so call one of my team of

1111
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world-rated readers now for a live

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00:46:27,650 --> 00:46:26,580
team of well rated readers now for a

1115
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1116
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1117
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Tarot numerology and more whichever

1118
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:33,270
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1119
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first 10 minutes for only 59 cents a

1120
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minute by calling just a little bit and

1121
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:40,320
then only three dollars 95 per minute

1122
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for credit card callers no credit card

1123
00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:44,730
then call us on our new number deducted

1124
00:46:48,830 --> 00:46:46,230
it to speak to the next available reader

1125
00:46:50,750 --> 00:46:48,840
for dollars 95 per minute higher rates

1126
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apply to calls made from a mobile phone

1127
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:53,460
I just SAT there looked at that when I

1128
00:46:58,370 --> 00:46:55,170
doing this afternoon i thought you know

1129
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:58,380
at 59 cents a minute and then 395 a

1130
00:47:02,330 --> 00:47:00,660
minute for credit card callers so you

1131
00:47:04,220 --> 00:47:02,340
get the first 10 minutes for 59 cents a

1132
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:04,230
minute so in that first 10 minutes they

1133
00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:06,570
would be trying to string it out and

1134
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:08,100
wring it out and draw you in so you've

1135
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:10,350
spent five dollars 90 yeah out of 10

1136
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:12,210
minutes and then you're paying three

1137
00:47:15,350 --> 00:47:13,680
dollars 95 a minute so let's say you

1138
00:47:16,570 --> 00:47:15,360
spend in another 10 minutes so a 20

1139
00:47:19,730 --> 00:47:16,580
minute call wouldn't be unrealistic

1140
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:19,740
another 10 minutes is going to be 3950

1141
00:47:25,700 --> 00:47:23,370
on top of the five dollars 90 so you've

1142
00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:25,710
spent 45 bucks they could ring us it's a

1143
00:47:30,860 --> 00:47:28,730
lot cheaper we'll have a chat to them I

1144
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:30,870
still come back to the fact that you

1145
00:47:36,140 --> 00:47:33,930
know in the in the common sense of

1146
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:36,150
day-to-day life if these people really

1147
00:47:39,830 --> 00:47:38,010
could see the future they should be

1148
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:39,840
waving big flags from the top of

1149
00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:41,310
buildings going guys get out of

1150
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:42,750
Christchurch there's an earthquake on

1151
00:47:47,390 --> 00:47:44,850
its way get out of North Queensland

1152
00:47:49,460 --> 00:47:47,400
there's a cyclone yeah yeah we've got

1153
00:47:53,420 --> 00:47:49,470
some calls hi Margaret no you're not

1154
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:53,430
well thank you I mean to see if there's

1155
00:48:04,730 --> 00:47:57,420
any evidence that a premonition can be

1156
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:04,740
true I'm a skeptic but monday I have a

1157
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:09,090
friend who is not in any way I think

1158
00:48:14,510 --> 00:48:12,180
she's got powers or anything and she

1159
00:48:17,870 --> 00:48:14,520
rang me quite distressed because she

1160
00:48:21,050 --> 00:48:17,880
said she felt fearful and I said are you

1161
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:21,060
frightened of somebody and she said no

1162
00:48:27,350 --> 00:48:23,160
that what's the fear about she said I

1163
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:27,360
don't know I'm just feel like heavy and

1164
00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:32,460
fearful and the very next day we had the

1165
00:48:39,770 --> 00:48:36,600
earthquake in christchurch and I don't

1166
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:39,780
know whether it was that or what do you

1167
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:41,970
believe in premonitions well that's

1168
00:48:46,670 --> 00:48:45,150
drawing a very long bow indeed I mean

1169
00:48:48,980 --> 00:48:46,680
she could you could have been related

1170
00:48:52,310 --> 00:48:48,990
that to any sadness around the world or

1171
00:48:54,980 --> 00:48:52,320
any bad event people have uneasy

1172
00:48:56,540 --> 00:48:54,990
feelings from time to time we all do

1173
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:56,550
it's natural it's it's part of being

1174
00:49:02,750 --> 00:49:00,240
human every now and then one of those

1175
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:02,760
uneasy feelings will hook up with

1176
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:04,890
something maybe to have in our personal

1177
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:06,900
lives all around the world very

1178
00:49:10,850 --> 00:49:09,570
difficult absolutely yes there's also

1179
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,860
something very interesting called the

1180
00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:12,960
law of very large numbers if you have a

1181
00:49:15,650 --> 00:49:14,340
population especially in the United

1182
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:15,660
States of millions and millions of

1183
00:49:20,690 --> 00:49:18,030
people every night someone will dream

1184
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:20,700
about a close relative dying and so on

1185
00:49:24,380 --> 00:49:22,530
it'll happen because it has to happen

1186
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:24,390
because of the huge numbers involved and

1187
00:49:28,010 --> 00:49:26,370
you get to hear about it they say on the

1188
00:49:29,720 --> 00:49:28,020
news today this woman dreamt about her

1189
00:49:32,420 --> 00:49:29,730
husband dying any did and everyone goes

1190
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:32,430
OH but which is a bit library when

1191
00:49:35,270 --> 00:49:34,050
people say things happen in threes it's

1192
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:35,280
terrible I've just had a I've learned of

1193
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:36,360
a death of a friend I've learned of

1194
00:49:39,530 --> 00:49:37,650
somebody else that's been diagnosed with

1195
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:39,540
cancer I'm hating to see what the third

1196
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:41,220
ones go to be and you've only got to

1197
00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:42,660
think very quickly and there'll be a

1198
00:49:45,620 --> 00:49:43,980
third thing you can always think of a

1199
00:49:47,180 --> 00:49:45,630
third yeah it's not her it's not hard

1200
00:49:48,860 --> 00:49:47,190
but if there's not eventually you'll

1201
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:48,870
forget it yeah yeah you only ever

1202
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:50,610
remember when there are three going not

1203
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:52,650
when there are no theories exactly

1204
00:49:59,060 --> 00:49:54,330
exactly my go thank you for the call hi

1205
00:50:01,100 --> 00:49:59,070
Donna oh hi Glenn was wondering why you

1206
00:50:04,010 --> 00:50:01,110
haven't got a a psychic in there because

1207
00:50:07,850 --> 00:50:04,020
I think and with your psyche perdition's

1208
00:50:09,590 --> 00:50:07,860
I lie in bed and laugh but because

1209
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:09,600
there's only one to nine numbers in

1210
00:50:14,300 --> 00:50:11,940
numerology and there's a master number

1211
00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:14,310
of an 11 and a 20 tired yeah I can

1212
00:50:17,930 --> 00:50:15,510
answer your question Donna by saying

1213
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:17,940
this that I tried and I said before i

1214
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,650
actually have said in this chat i've had

1215
00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:21,480
with these guys tonight that i did put

1216
00:50:25,460 --> 00:50:23,910
the call out to to a number of psychics

1217
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,470
to try and get them on the show tonight

1218
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:28,380
to counter the argument so i have do

1219
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:30,270
want me to leave a number of the New

1220
00:50:33,970 --> 00:50:32,850
South Wales carkeek of the year for 2007

1221
00:50:35,470 --> 00:50:33,980
2009

1222
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:35,480
well you might be surprised to learn

1223
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:38,270
that I believe one of the one of the

1224
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:39,770
numbers that I did contact today no

1225
00:50:44,109 --> 00:50:41,570
names no pack drill was the New South

1226
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:44,119
Wales sake of the Year 2011 I thought it

1227
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:45,470
was far more relevant than the one from

1228
00:50:48,970 --> 00:50:47,090
two thousand eight and two thousand so

1229
00:50:50,109 --> 00:50:48,980
thank you donna for that but i did leave

1230
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:50,119
a message and i didn't get a return

1231
00:50:52,990 --> 00:50:51,680
phone call nonetheless maybe they could

1232
00:50:54,250 --> 00:50:53,000
predict what was going to happen they

1233
00:50:57,130 --> 00:50:54,260
should have known that Glenn wanted them

1234
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:57,140
to come into it guys thank you for

1235
00:51:00,340 --> 00:50:58,850
dropping by two words you just have a

1236
00:51:02,590 --> 00:51:00,350
chat about that I just thought that in

1237
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:02,600
the in the you know it's one of those

1238
00:51:04,780 --> 00:51:03,770
mixed subjects because in the

1239
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:04,790
seriousness of what's happening in

1240
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:06,050
Christchurch at the moment it's just

1241
00:51:10,450 --> 00:51:07,970
just interesting to be able to draw that

1242
00:51:12,790 --> 00:51:10,460
parallel back again to say ok it's all

1243
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:12,800
well and good for us to look into the

1244
00:51:17,050 --> 00:51:14,810
future and be driven by what psychics

1245
00:51:18,310 --> 00:51:17,060
tell us as yeah that happened the bottom

1246
00:51:19,810 --> 00:51:18,320
line is look if you want to look at

1247
00:51:22,420 --> 00:51:19,820
these magazines and see what the year

1248
00:51:24,609 --> 00:51:22,430
has install please do it with with humor

1249
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:24,619
and a grain of salt and no it's written

1250
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:27,050
for entertainment purposes only it is

1251
00:51:31,300 --> 00:51:29,810
not real people cannot look magically

1252
00:51:33,730 --> 00:51:31,310
into the future that has not happened

1253
00:51:35,830 --> 00:51:33,740
and pluck things out and get it

1254
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:35,840
accurately right except after eleven

1255
00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:37,460
o'clock on this program of course and

1256
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:40,070
that would be glenn whelan yes who

1257
00:51:44,740 --> 00:51:41,510
hasn't twittered I follow you on twitter

1258
00:51:47,470 --> 00:51:44,750
Glenn what's going on I don't I don't

1259
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:47,480
tweet I don't have time thanks thanks

1260
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:50,000
for the observation on the list Rachel

1261
00:51:53,230 --> 00:51:51,650
that dr. Rachel done up and Richard

1262
00:51:55,090 --> 00:51:53,240
Saunders from the Australian skeptics

1263
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:55,100
and you can check out their website if

1264
00:52:00,730 --> 00:51:58,040
you want the skipped across elliptical

1265
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:00,740
dodo you www shipping to the cakes with

1266
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:08,090
a k.com dot aight thanks yours did you

1267
00:52:12,340 --> 00:52:10,130
know Jeff wag participated in an alien

1268
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:12,350
psychic challenge did you know that

1269
00:52:16,420 --> 00:52:14,240
George Rob is an interstellar singing

1270
00:52:18,970 --> 00:52:16,430
sensation for these and other stories

1271
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:18,980
you won't hear on the skeptic zone go to

1272
00:52:24,820 --> 00:52:21,760
the bolingbrook babbler that's ww

1273
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:24,830
bolingbrook babbler com if you have any

1274
00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:27,410
doubts just remember this the SG you

1275
00:52:32,290 --> 00:52:29,720
couldn't debunk any of our stories even

1276
00:52:33,609 --> 00:52:32,300
when we offer them five dollars so read

1277
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:33,619
the bolingbrook babbler for the

1278
00:52:41,980 --> 00:52:39,890
unbelievable truth that's ww bol ing BR

1279
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:41,990
00 k be

1280
00:52:55,720 --> 00:52:53,570
a BBL we are calm he is former chief

1281
00:52:58,570 --> 00:52:55,730
executive officer of Australian skeptics

1282
00:53:02,050 --> 00:52:58,580
Barry Williams talking about our famous

1283
00:53:04,690 --> 00:53:02,060
bent spoon award the award given to the

1284
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:04,700
most preposterous piece of paranormal or

1285
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:12,530
pseudo scientific people for those who

1286
00:53:16,690 --> 00:53:14,090
are distinguished in the arts and

1287
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:16,700
sciences there are any number of awards

1288
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:20,330
the Nobel Prize the Archibald Prize the

1289
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:22,970
Booker Prize the Eureka prize the

1290
00:53:29,020 --> 00:53:26,720
luggage and many others but let's face

1291
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,030
it there are at least as many cranks

1292
00:53:33,820 --> 00:53:31,280
charlatans and crackpots in the world as

1293
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:33,830
there are scientists and artists so why

1294
00:53:39,820 --> 00:53:35,650
should they miss out on the big dongs

1295
00:53:43,030 --> 00:53:39,830
that is why back in 1985 we instituted

1296
00:53:45,700 --> 00:53:43,040
the annual bent spoon award the award

1297
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:45,710
itself is quite a work of art it

1298
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:47,810
consists of a tastefully bent dessert

1299
00:53:53,590 --> 00:53:50,290
spoon appended lead by psychic forces

1300
00:53:55,450 --> 00:53:53,600
plated with gold originating or so we

1301
00:53:58,599 --> 00:53:55,460
have been told from lesser does lost

1302
00:54:00,520 --> 00:53:58,609
reef and mounted on a polished base made

1303
00:54:03,790 --> 00:54:00,530
from wood that we have no reason to

1304
00:54:06,190 --> 00:54:03,800
believe is not from Noah's Ark curiously

1305
00:54:08,109 --> 00:54:06,200
none of the past winners has managed to

1306
00:54:10,510 --> 00:54:08,119
extract this handsome trophy from our

1307
00:54:14,740 --> 00:54:10,520
care which we stipulate must be

1308
00:54:17,109 --> 00:54:14,750
undertaken only by paranormal means not

1309
00:54:19,900 --> 00:54:17,119
so curious are the reactions of winners

1310
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:19,910
when informed of their success these

1311
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:22,160
have ranged from blase indifference to

1312
00:54:26,349 --> 00:54:24,890
outrage and occasionally the sort of

1313
00:54:29,070 --> 00:54:26,359
colorful language worthy of an

1314
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:29,080
Australian fielding in the slips in

1315
00:54:33,340 --> 00:54:31,250
selecting a worthy recipient of this

1316
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:33,350
award the judging panel looks for a

1317
00:54:38,050 --> 00:54:34,990
claim that has received widespread

1318
00:54:40,780 --> 00:54:38,060
uncritical coverage that contributes to

1319
00:54:42,460 --> 00:54:40,790
the dumbing down of society that has the

1320
00:54:44,859 --> 00:54:42,470
potential to be either physically or

1321
00:54:47,490 --> 00:54:44,869
financially harmful to many people or

1322
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:47,500
that preys on the sick and vulnerable to

1323
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,690
be successful they should not be purely

1324
00:54:54,730 --> 00:54:52,640
local but be widespread in their

1325
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:54,740
influence and we like to keep them

1326
00:54:58,490 --> 00:54:55,650
within an Australian

1327
00:55:00,650 --> 00:54:58,500
context past winners have been a pretty

1328
00:55:02,500 --> 00:55:00,660
eclectic bunch ranging from psychics

1329
00:55:05,470 --> 00:55:02,510
wrongly predicting future events

1330
00:55:07,970 --> 00:55:05,480
channeled into these a psychic dentist

1331
00:55:10,300 --> 00:55:07,980
various media organizations and

1332
00:55:12,740 --> 00:55:10,310
identities for promoting such nonsense

1333
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:12,750
government agencies employing psychic

1334
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:15,300
archaeologists or accepting sicky

1335
00:55:19,010 --> 00:55:16,530
certificates from alternative

1336
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:19,020
practitioners a sporting figure

1337
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:21,480
promoting energy polarisers to make cars

1338
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:24,330
work better inventors of free energy

1339
00:55:30,020 --> 00:55:27,530
devices anti immunization activists and

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people claiming to have found noah's ark

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the colossus of rhodes and even one who

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cited mythical atlantis in adelaide

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possibly my favorite past when i was the

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1998 award to an institution of higher

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learning located in northern New South

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Wales that announced a research program

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into the efficacy of various alternative

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health methods while simultaneously

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offering degree courses in the same

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methods a case of putting not only the

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cart but also the harness load and

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driver before the horse most winners

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have made claims that have difficulty in

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withstanding any sort of critical

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analysis or even a small dose of common

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sense our first test is always to apply

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the dictum if it sounds too good to be

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true it almost certainly is it's not an

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infallible test but it is correct far

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more often than not this year we have

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several nominations for commercial

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organizations that have pushed ideas

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based on New Age superstition one is an

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insurance company that claimed that

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driving ability was related to star sign

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more common have been companies

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including one of the big banks with

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their own particular version of Feng

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Shui an ancient Chinese art of

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aesthetics that has been mystified in

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its translation into Western practice

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these nominees promise that Feng Shui

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will promote health wealth and

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well-being if incorporated into the

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design and decor of buildings tell that

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to the investors or creditors of one

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tell which famously designed its

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officers on the advice of thing Shui

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experts

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we also have nominations for various

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media outlets for their unquestioning

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acceptance of assorted dubious

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propositions often alleging health

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benefits and one for the entire

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economics profession though we regard

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that as an incomprehensible rather than

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a paranormal field one hopeful nominator

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has even cited steve wars notorious

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attachment to his battered baggy green

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cap that's not a likely winner however

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as even skeptics can hold something

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sacred and cricket tradition rates

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this is desiree host of Canadian radio

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shows skeptically speaking for those of

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you that don't know Kenneth is quite

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similar to Australia people know as

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primarily for our weather and our beer

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and we have a queen just like you do

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same one as you do actually we also have

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mythical monsters and people who think

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they have psychic abilities and people

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who think that vaccinations are bad for

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you so keep listening to the skeptic

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zone and know that we're all in this

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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zone this week now all those people who

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chip in every week with a 99 cents I

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want you to know that your money has

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gone to a very good use lately I've

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bought our voiceover manju mulcher this

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man welcome to the skeptic zone the

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podcast from Australia for science and

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reason I bought him a brand-new

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professional microphone for his birthday

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and he's going to be using that to do

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more recordings for the skeptic zone so

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thank you listeners thank you to those

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people who contribute your money really

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does get put to good use but for now

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this is Richard Saunders signing off

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from Sydney Australia you've been

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